Guide:Clark - Revision history

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	* The long-standing idea I had was to substitute [https://www.starfleet-museum.org/archer.jpg Masao's fan-canon ''Archer'' design] for the rough and vague ''Spaceflight Chronology'' vessel. However, my confidence in Adrasil to make an interesting and reasonable vessel out of the original is strong enough to ''want'' to go back to the source material.		* The long-standing idea I had was to substitute [https://www.starfleet-museum.org/archer.jpg Masao's fan-canon ''Archer'' design] for the rough and vague ''Spaceflight Chronology'' vessel. However, my confidence in Adrasil to make an interesting and reasonable vessel out of the original is strong enough to ''want'' to go back to the source material.

	* Regarding the ''[[Guide: Guderian\|Guderians]]'', ''[[Guide: Tal\|Tals]]'', and ''[[Guide: Manta\|Mantas]]'': I see one DD issue focused on space tanks, rather than one issue for each of the five models. Timo did not devote much information to the original three classes and since the latter two were not that historical either, that would seem to be the way to go. The ''Guderians'' and ''Tals'' were similar in specs and contemporaneous—maybe with slightly different missions—while the ''Mantas'' were 25 years more evolved. I'm envisioning the ''Clarks'' as the first to leave the [[Sol]] system, as their deployment (not the ''Mantas'') is what sparked the diplomatic tension with the [[Vulcans]]. The ''Bradley'' class, of course, has its own war history.		* Regarding the ''[[Guide: Guderian\|Guderians]]'', ''[[Guide: Tal\|Tals]]'', and ''[[Guide: Manta\|Mantas]]'': I see one DD issue focused on space tanks, rather than one issue for each of the five models. Timo did not devote much information to the original three classes and since the latter two were not that historical either, that would seem to be the way to go. The ''Guderians'' and ''Tals'' were similar in specs and contemporaneous—maybe with slightly different missions—while the ''Mantas'' were 25 years more evolved. I'm envisioning the ''Clarks'' as the first to leave the [[Sol]] system, as their deployment (not the ''Mantas'') is what sparked the diplomatic tension with the [[Vulcans]]. The ''Bradley'' class, of course, has its own war history. The service years for the original three classes is predicated on the presumption that the first two stood down as the ''Manta'' replaced them in the Sol-defense mission.

	* It seems reasonable the ''Clarks'' were retained post-war by the [[Earth Fleet]] or the government of [[Vega]], never entering service with the [[UFP Star Fleet]].		* It seems reasonable the ''Clarks'' were retained post-war by the [[Earth Fleet]] or the government of [[Vega]], never entering service with the [[UFP Star Fleet]].

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	* The long-standing idea I had was to substitute [https://www.starfleet-museum.org/archer.jpg Masao's fan-canon ''Archer'' design] for the rough and vague ''Spaceflight Chronology'' vessel. However, my confidence in Adrasil to make an interesting and reasonable vessel out of the original is strong enough to ''want'' to go back to the source material.		* The long-standing idea I had was to substitute [https://www.starfleet-museum.org/archer.jpg Masao's fan-canon ''Archer'' design] for the rough and vague ''Spaceflight Chronology'' vessel. However, my confidence in Adrasil to make an interesting and reasonable vessel out of the original is strong enough to ''want'' to go back to the source material.

	* Regarding the ''[[Guide: Guderian\|Guderians]]'', ''[[Guide: Tal\|Tals]]'', and ''[[Guide: Manta\|Mantas]]'': I see one DD issue focused on space tanks, rather than one issue for each of the five models. Timo did not devote much information to the original three classes and since the latter two were not that historical, either, that would seem to be the way to go.		* Regarding the ''[[Guide: Guderian\|Guderians]]'', ''[[Guide: Tal\|Tals]]'', and ''[[Guide: Manta\|Mantas]]'': I see one DD issue focused on space tanks, rather than one issue for each of the five models. Timo did not devote much information to the original three classes and since the latter two were not that historical either, that would seem to be the way to go. The ''Guderians'' and ''Tals'' were similar in specs and contemporaneous—maybe with slightly different missions—while the ''Mantas'' were 25 years more evolved. I'm envisioning the ''Clarks'' as the first to leave the [[Sol]] system, as their deployment (not the ''Mantas'') is what sparked the diplomatic tension with the [[Vulcans]]. The ''Bradley'' class, of course, has its own war history.

	* It seems reasonable the ''Clarks'' were retained post-war by the [[Earth Fleet]] or the government of [[Vega]], never entering service with the [[UFP Star Fleet]].		* It seems reasonable the ''Clarks'' were retained post-war by the [[Earth Fleet]] or the government of [[Vega]], never entering service with the [[UFP Star Fleet]].

Dan: /* Notes */

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	==Notes==		==Notes==
	* The long-standing idea I had was to substitute [https://www.starfleet-museum.org/archer.jpg Masao's fan-canon ''Archer'' design] for the rough and vague ''Spaceflight Chronology'' vessel. However, my confidence in Adrasil to make an interesting and reasonable vessel out of the original is strong enough to ''want'' to go back to the source material.		* The long-standing idea I had was to substitute [https://www.starfleet-museum.org/archer.jpg Masao's fan-canon ''Archer'' design] for the rough and vague ''Spaceflight Chronology'' vessel. However, my confidence in Adrasil to make an interesting and reasonable vessel out of the original is strong enough to ''want'' to go back to the source material.

			* Regarding the ''[[Guide: Guderian\|Guderians]]'', ''[[Guide: Tal\|Tals]]'', and ''[[Guide: Manta\|Mantas]]'': I see one DD issue focused on space tanks, rather than one issue for each of the five models. Timo did not devote much information to the original three classes and since the latter two were not that historical, either, that would seem to be the way to go.

	* It seems reasonable the ''Clarks'' were retained post-war by the [[Earth Fleet]] or the government of [[Vega]], never entering service with the [[UFP Star Fleet]].		* It seems reasonable the ''Clarks'' were retained post-war by the [[Earth Fleet]] or the government of [[Vega]], never entering service with the [[UFP Star Fleet]].

Dan: /* Background: Hobbyist's Guide */

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Background: Hobbyist's Guide

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	mean that a tank could be rendered virtually blind, deaf, and useless by hitting the nearest sensor buoys.]]		mean that a tank could be rendered virtually blind, deaf, and useless by hitting the nearest sensor buoys.]]

	The space tanks to be sent to guard distant systems were significantly larger than the ''Guderian'' and ''Tal'' types. The first ''Manta'' class craft, completed in [[2149]], massed 1,890 tons before the installation of warp engines and measured almost seventy meters from wingtip cannon to wingtip cannon. The '''''Clark''''' class of [[2150]] was larger still, its total mass some 3,050 tons when fitted with six 200 MW and two 900 MW plasma cannon, two missile tubes, and carrying ten crew. When the UESF began shipping out the components of twenty ''Clarks'' to [[Vega]], the first true diplomatic conflict between Earth and [[Vulcan]] began to brew.		The space tanks to be sent to guard distant systems were significantly larger than the ''Guderian'' and ''Tal'' types. The first ''[[Guide: Manta\|Manta]]'' class craft, completed in [[2149]], massed 1,890 tons before the installation of warp engines and measured almost seventy meters from wingtip cannon to wingtip cannon. The '''''Clark''''' class of [[2150]] was larger still, its total mass some 3,050 tons when fitted with six 200 MW and two 900 MW plasma cannon, two missile tubes, and carrying ten crew. When the UESF began shipping out the components of twenty ''Clarks'' to [[Vega]], the first true diplomatic conflict between Earth and [[Vulcan]] began to brew.

	Defense of the Human home system was acceptable and prudent, even according to the Vulcan principles of pacifism. However, deployment of permanent warship forces in "non-native" systems ran contrary to Vulcan policy. The alternative acceptable by Vulcan standards, reliance on starships deployed on demand, was not available for the ship-starved UESF. When the cruiser ''V’lith'' arrived to "escort" the transports carrying the ''Clark'' components, the UE Senate considered recalling the shipments. However, the mechanisms of star travel worked in Earth’s political favor for once: it would have been unsafe to turn the ships back after midpoint, especially after the ''Nebukadnessar'' sprang a leak and the reactor of the ''China Beach'' began acting up. The space tanks arrived at Vega as planned and were assembled by February [[2152]].		Defense of the Human home system was acceptable and prudent, even according to the Vulcan principles of pacifism. However, deployment of permanent warship forces in "non-native" systems ran contrary to Vulcan policy. The alternative acceptable by Vulcan standards, reliance on starships deployed on demand, was not available for the ship-starved UESF. When the cruiser ''V’lith'' arrived to "escort" the transports carrying the ''Clark'' components, the UE Senate considered recalling the shipments. However, the mechanisms of star travel worked in Earth’s political favor for once: it would have been unsafe to turn the ships back after midpoint, especially after the ''Nebukadnessar'' sprang a leak and the reactor of the ''China Beach'' began acting up. The space tanks arrived at Vega as planned and were assembled by February [[2152]].

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	The primary mission of such fortresses would be system defense, in which sustainable speed played a minor role to begin with. Reaction speed still mattered, however, and even the earliest and most austere designs for armored system defense weapon platforms featured warp engines. Propulsive endurance was limited to short dashes, yet the machines were still too mobile to justly be called "fortresses". The name "space tank" soon caught on and production began in [[2122]] on the first tentative designs.		The primary mission of such fortresses would be system defense, in which sustainable speed played a minor role to begin with. Reaction speed still mattered, however, and even the earliest and most austere designs for armored system defense weapon platforms featured warp engines. Propulsive endurance was limited to short dashes, yet the machines were still too mobile to justly be called "fortresses". The name "space tank" soon caught on and production began in [[2122]] on the first tentative designs.

	The early ''Guderian'' and ''Tal'' thousand-ton space tanks were not success stories, however. In absence of real threats, the best balance of weapons, protection, and mobility could not be plausibly established, and simple cost analysis favored the use of lightly protected and armed yet very mobile lifting body designs. Only a dozen ''Guderians'' and ''Tals'' were produced. The first half of the [[22nd century]] clarified the nature of the interstellar threat and steered Earth farther away from the concept of space tanks. Yet the attack on the [[Delta VII]] mining outpost in [[2146]] demonstrated the need for system defenses in [[Human]] dwellings other than [[Sol]]. As constructing such defenses across interstellar distances was well beyond UESF capabilities at the time, mobile space fortresses were the only viable solution.		The early ''[[Guide: Guderian\|Guderian]]'' and ''[[Guide: Tal\|Tal]]'' thousand-ton space tanks were not success stories, however. In absence of real threats, the best balance of weapons, protection, and mobility could not be plausibly established, and simple cost analysis favored the use of lightly protected and armed yet very mobile lifting body designs. Only a dozen ''Guderians'' and ''Tals'' were produced. The first half of the [[22nd century]] clarified the nature of the interstellar threat and steered Earth farther away from the concept of space tanks. Yet the attack on the [[Delta VII]] mining outpost in [[2146]] demonstrated the need for system defenses in [[Human]] dwellings other than [[Sol]]. As constructing such defenses across interstellar distances was well beyond UESF capabilities at the time, mobile space fortresses were the only viable solution.

	[[Image:No Photo Available.jpg\|left\|300px\|thumb\|A tidy formation of ''Clark'' tanks deploys from the orbital port of [[Vega]]. A centralized maintenance facility was built next to the commercial port and a rudimentary sensor and control network erected across the system. Apart from these, the tanks required little support, running as they did on commercial grade deuterium. Reliance on external sensor networks did		[[Image:No Photo Available.jpg\|left\|300px\|thumb\|A tidy formation of ''Clark'' tanks deploys from the orbital port of [[Vega]]. A centralized maintenance facility was built next to the commercial port and a rudimentary sensor and control network erected across the system. Apart from these, the tanks required little support, running as they did on commercial grade deuterium. Reliance on external sensor networks did

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	==Notes==		==Notes==
	* The long-standing idea I had was to substitute [https://www.starfleet-museum.org/archer.jpg Masao's fan-canon ''Archer'' design] for the rough and vague ''Spaceflight Chronology'' vessel. However, my confidence in Adrasil to make an interesting and reasonable vessel out of the original is strong enough to ''want'' to go back to the source material.		* The long-standing idea I had was to substitute [https://www.starfleet-museum.org/archer.jpg Masao's fan-canon ''Archer'' design] for the rough and vague ''Spaceflight Chronology'' vessel. However, my confidence in Adrasil to make an interesting and reasonable vessel out of the original is strong enough to ''want'' to go back to the source material.

			* It seems reasonable the ''Clarks'' were retained post-war by the [[Earth Fleet]] or the government of [[Vega]], never entering service with the [[UFP Star Fleet]].

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	==Gallery==		==Gallery==
	<gallery>		<gallery>
	~~File:Clark (bow).png\|Bow view~~
	~~Image:Clark (dorsal).png\|Dorsal view~~
	~~File:Clark (stern).png\|Stern view~~
	</gallery>		</gallery>

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	==Notes==		==Notes==
	* The ~~long0standing~~ idea I had was to substitute [https://www.starfleet-museum.org/archer.jpg Masao's fan-canon ''Archer'' design] for the rough and vague ''Spaceflight Chronology'' vessel. However, my confidence in Adrasil to make an interesting and reasonable vessel out of the original is strong enough to ''want'' to go back to the source material.		* The long-standing idea I had was to substitute [https://www.starfleet-museum.org/archer.jpg Masao's fan-canon ''Archer'' design] for the rough and vague ''Spaceflight Chronology'' vessel. However, my confidence in Adrasil to make an interesting and reasonable vessel out of the original is strong enough to ''want'' to go back to the source material.

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Dan at 16:42, 13 July 2023

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	\|classname= ''Clark''		\|classname= ''Clark''
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	==Notes==		==Notes==
	*		* The long0standing idea I had was to substitute [https://www.starfleet-museum.org/archer.jpg Masao's fan-canon ''Archer'' design] for the rough and vague ''Spaceflight Chronology'' vessel. However, my confidence in Adrasil to make an interesting and reasonable vessel out of the original is strong enough to ''want'' to go back to the source material.

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Dan at 16:38, 13 July 2023

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	\|image=[[~~Image~~:Clark (~~port~~).png\|250px\|Clark class space tank]]		\|image=[[File:Clark (Timo dorsal).png\|250px\|Clark class space tank]]
	\|classname= ''Clark''		\|classname= ''Clark''
	\|category= space tank		\|category= space tank